Comments on: RHH: Do the "Hip Hop is dead" brigade have it twisted? http://antiquerecordplayers.info/rhh-do-the-hip-hop-is-dead-brigade-have-it-twisted.htm Wed, 23 May 2012 21:53:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Mar2 is here to save you all... http://antiquerecordplayers.info/rhh-do-the-hip-hop-is-dead-brigade-have-it-twisted.htm/comment-page-1#comment-6091 Mar2 is here to save you all... Sun, 16 May 2010 12:32:02 +0000 http://antiquerecordplayers.info/rhh-do-the-hip-hop-is-dead-brigade-have-it-twisted.htm#comment-6091 Let's look at in simple terms...Take Special Ed at the height of his career...The Youngest in Charge was created when he was just 16 years old and that album catapulted him in on to TV and heavy radio play back in the day...His message wasn't one of anything we haven't heard before (i.e. Lil Wayne) and what I seem to find most interesting is the only real difference between the Special Ed's or our world and every lil' Wayne type has more to do with money...I'm almost certain Mr. Ed (and not the horse of course) didn't make nearly the amount of money Wayne has so far and Wayne is by far a bigger and maybe even household name than Edward would have ever been... All in all hip-hop begins were you began with it...like any good relationship...mines just happens to be at almost the beginning of it all (at least state side) What best represents hip-hop is anything that is progressively moving forward just like with any other art form Let’s look at in simple terms…Take Special Ed at the height of his career…The Youngest in Charge was created when he was just 16 years old and that album catapulted him in on to TV and heavy radio play back in the day…His message wasn’t one of anything we haven’t heard before (i.e. Lil Wayne) and what I seem to find most interesting is the only real difference between the Special Ed’s or our world and every lil’ Wayne type has more to do with money…I’m almost certain Mr. Ed (and not the horse of course) didn’t make nearly the amount of money Wayne has so far and Wayne is by far a bigger and maybe even household name than Edward would have ever been… All in all hip-hop begins were you began with it…like any good relationship…mines just happens to be at almost the beginning of it all (at least state side) What best represents hip-hop is anything that is progressively moving forward just like with any other art form

]]> By: Mya http://antiquerecordplayers.info/rhh-do-the-hip-hop-is-dead-brigade-have-it-twisted.htm/comment-page-1#comment-6086 Mya Sun, 16 May 2010 12:32:02 +0000 http://antiquerecordplayers.info/rhh-do-the-hip-hop-is-dead-brigade-have-it-twisted.htm#comment-6086 Yes. When hip hop first started, it was turntable-ism and breaking. It was a whole new form of creative expression, a totally new and undiscovered branch of music. Everyone knows that. I think that once people grew more familiar with it and more comfortable with it, it evolved into something different. That's where the politically charged lyrics came from. Once people knew EXACTLY what hip hop was, that's when they decided to change the game up. Now, I miss 80s and 90s hip hop because, to me, that really spoke to my soul. I got it, I understood it, and I embraced it. I miss that. I appreciate all of the hip hop pioneers like Nas and A Tribe Called Quest, Digable Planets, Pete Rock and C.L. Smooth...I could go on and on, but I really love what they've done. It's amazing. I hate this crap they've got now with hip hop. It's totally gone downhill and I hate it. No one knows how to rhyme anymore, there's no feeling, no real message, no true significance. I'll only lend my ear to a select few, like Common and Lupe Fiasco, because their music is the only music that makes sense and works for me. I miss when hip hop wasn't all about the business. I want that to come back. So for the time being, hip hop is dead. I'm just waiting for the resurrection. Yes. When hip hop first started, it was turntable-ism and breaking. It was a whole new form of creative expression, a totally new and undiscovered branch of music. Everyone knows that. I think that once people grew more familiar with it and more comfortable with it, it evolved into something different. That’s where the politically charged lyrics came from. Once people knew EXACTLY what hip hop was, that’s when they decided to change the game up.

Now, I miss 80s and 90s hip hop because, to me, that really spoke to my soul. I got it, I understood it, and I embraced it. I miss that. I appreciate all of the hip hop pioneers like Nas and A Tribe Called Quest, Digable Planets, Pete Rock and C.L. Smooth…I could go on and on, but I really love what they’ve done. It’s amazing.

I hate this crap they’ve got now with hip hop. It’s totally gone downhill and I hate it. No one knows how to rhyme anymore, there’s no feeling, no real message, no true significance. I’ll only lend my ear to a select few, like Common and Lupe Fiasco, because their music is the only music that makes sense and works for me.

I miss when hip hop wasn’t all about the business. I want that to come back. So for the time being, hip hop is dead. I’m just waiting for the resurrection.

]]> By: bonniethon (orain luaidh) http://antiquerecordplayers.info/rhh-do-the-hip-hop-is-dead-brigade-have-it-twisted.htm/comment-page-1#comment-6084 bonniethon (orain luaidh) Sun, 16 May 2010 12:32:02 +0000 http://antiquerecordplayers.info/rhh-do-the-hip-hop-is-dead-brigade-have-it-twisted.htm#comment-6084 You know I agree. So many people talk about how they only like "lyrical" hip hop, but they listen to rappers who really aren't all that lyrical. That's not a diss to those rappers - artists like Run DMC and KRS-One are some of the all time greats and they deserve the love they get, but the truth is, they use pretty basic rhyme schemes and aren't really big on wordplay. Hip hop was never originally about lyricism. It was about the break beat, the b-boy and partying at its inception. So actually, club bangers with a great beat to dance to and turntablism are the two types that best reflect the roots of hip hop as music. People seem to have selective memories about the old school or seem to think that hip hop started when Sugar Hill Gang dropped Rappers Delight or Grandmaster Flash dropped The Message (btw, neither of these songs were written by the artists who performed them. Watch a "I hate everything new in hip hop" type tear a track released now to shreds for doing the same thing). Hip hop has elements. It's not just about rapping. And "lyrical" rap seems to basically cover everything that isn't Lil Wayne or Soulja Boy in some people's eyes. Hip hop at its inception was about partying and having fun. Of course it evolved into different things, all art does. But that was what it was about at the start. You know I agree. So many people talk about how they only like "lyrical" hip hop, but they listen to rappers who really aren’t all that lyrical. That’s not a diss to those rappers - artists like Run DMC and KRS-One are some of the all time greats and they deserve the love they get, but the truth is, they use pretty basic rhyme schemes and aren’t really big on wordplay.

Hip hop was never originally about lyricism. It was about the break beat, the b-boy and partying at its inception. So actually, club bangers with a great beat to dance to and turntablism are the two types that best reflect the roots of hip hop as music.

People seem to have selective memories about the old school or seem to think that hip hop started when Sugar Hill Gang dropped Rappers Delight or Grandmaster Flash dropped The Message (btw, neither of these songs were written by the artists who performed them. Watch a "I hate everything new in hip hop" type tear a track released now to shreds for doing the same thing).

Hip hop has elements. It’s not just about rapping. And "lyrical" rap seems to basically cover everything that isn’t Lil Wayne or Soulja Boy in some people’s eyes.

Hip hop at its inception was about partying and having fun. Of course it evolved into different things, all art does. But that was what it was about at the start.

]]> By: aimjeezy http://antiquerecordplayers.info/rhh-do-the-hip-hop-is-dead-brigade-have-it-twisted.htm/comment-page-1#comment-6085 aimjeezy Sun, 16 May 2010 12:32:02 +0000 http://antiquerecordplayers.info/rhh-do-the-hip-hop-is-dead-brigade-have-it-twisted.htm#comment-6085 I agree. There was nothing impressive about 70's- early 80's hip hop lyrics, but they'll always make it out that way... and they always use "The Message" as their number one argument.-- I don't see a problem with it at all, but I honestly don't understand why there's such a big stress put on being "Socially Conscious and Political"... people wantin education from entertainment, but education from entertainment lol, don't understand EDIT: I fell away from the actual question, yeah alot of the people weren't even born, and i take hip hop for all it brings... so i can't say one type best represents it cuz that infers that it all should be that way. I agree. There was nothing impressive about 70’s- early 80’s hip hop lyrics, but they’ll always make it out that way… and they always use "The Message" as their number one argument.– I don’t see a problem with it at all, but I honestly don’t understand why there’s such a big stress put on being "Socially Conscious and Political"… people wantin education from entertainment, but education from entertainment lol, don’t understand

EDIT: I fell away from the actual question, yeah alot of the people weren’t even born, and i take hip hop for all it brings… so i can’t say one type best represents it cuz that infers that it all should be that way.

]]> By: shamieya http://antiquerecordplayers.info/rhh-do-the-hip-hop-is-dead-brigade-have-it-twisted.htm/comment-page-1#comment-6092 shamieya Sun, 16 May 2010 12:32:02 +0000 http://antiquerecordplayers.info/rhh-do-the-hip-hop-is-dead-brigade-have-it-twisted.htm#comment-6092 and im gonna put it out there like this, i dont think the old stuff was really all that good. it was new, they led the way for other rappers, ya ya ya, but you're right, early hip hop wasnt exactly anything to write home about. i say, specifically about rapping, its about fun and dissing each other and being aggressive. people want rappers to rap about rainbows and sunshine. i like rappers with great voices, funny lyrics, good beats, and i think that's good hip hop. it doesnt have to be introspective and deep to be good, but it can be that too. and im gonna put it out there like this, i dont think the old stuff was really all that good. it was new, they led the way for other rappers, ya ya ya, but you’re right, early hip hop wasnt exactly anything to write home about.

i say, specifically about rapping, its about fun and dissing each other and being aggressive. people want rappers to rap about rainbows and sunshine. i like rappers with great voices, funny lyrics, good beats, and i think that’s good hip hop. it doesnt have to be introspective and deep to be good, but it can be that too.

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